In gesprek met Gojko Adzic

Gojko Adzic komt op 14 en 15 september van dit jaar naar Nederland voor de tweede editie van zijn Specification by Example workshop bij Wannaflex. 19 mei organiseerde Wannaflex de eerste editie en TestNieuws kreeg de gelegenheid om Gojko een aantal vragen te stellen.

Gojko Adzic is een strategische software delivery consultant die met ambitieuze teams de kwaliteit verbetert van hun software producten en processen. Hij is gespecialiseerd in agile en lean kwaliteitsverbetering, specifiek agile testing, specification by example en behaviour driven development. Gojko is een frequent keynote spreker tijdens conferenties en is een van de schrijvers van de “Fifty quick ideas” series.


Hello Gojko,

In order to present my readers a great interview
As the owner of TestNieuws
I really want to get to know everything about you
using the best questions

Given a TestNieuws visitor who doesn’t know you
When they start reading this interview
Then you should introduce yourself to them

I’m a consultant, helping ambitious teams align software delivery with business goals. My work mostly revolves around agile and lean quality improvement, in particular impact mapping, agile testing, specification by example and behaviour driven development. My book Specification by Example won the Jolt Award for the best book of 2012. In 2011, I was voted by peers as the most influential agile testing professional, and my blog won the UK Agile Award for the best online publication in 2010.

Given that you would be young again
When you are looking for an education or a job
Then would you choose something in Information Technology again?

No, since I was a kid all I ever wanted to do was develop software. I’d choose that again.

Given the year is 2026
When you are looking for a software tester
Then where should we look for them?

Github, or whatever succeeds Github by then. Look for people who contribute to projects relevant for your market.

Given you are not working
When you want some excitement in your spare time
Then your hobby would be ….. ?

Developing software

Given you could say whatever you want
When you are doing this interview
Then what would you say to us testers?


Given you visit the Netherlands in September
When you are here again for your Specification by Example workshop
Then why should people come and listen to you?

Specification by Example is becoming more and more important as delivery phases are shrinking. Most teams in the industry now work on a cycle of a week to three weeks, and to deliver software sustainably at that pace, teams need effective ways of agreeing on user needs, specifications, requirements and test cases for expected behaviour.
Specification by Example is quite effective at covering that part of the process quickly. When SBE is in place, testers get more time to spend on exploring for unexpected. Product owners and product managers get morest feedback so they can avoid a lot of stupid rework.

Given that you are writing a new book
When you have to give it a title
Then what would that title be and why?

I’m currently working on ‘Fifty quick Ideas to improve multi-team delivery’

Given your excellent knowledge of Specification by Example
When you review my interview questions above
Then what would be fifty quick ideas to improve my questions ;-)

I really don’t know how to answer this. Sorry.

OK, no problem. Thank you Gojko, for the opportunity to do this interview and good luck on 14th and 15th of September doing the Specification by Example workshop.

Marco van der Spek